"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt) 08/30/2018 at 12:45 • Filed to: camaro, camaro 1le, chevy camaro

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Motortrend Camaro Turbo 1LE review “The starting price of $30,995 is a performance bargain that could potentially turn the heads of hot-hatch buyers, Chevy ’s surprising target market. That’s correct: The maker of some of the most famous examples of American muscle wants to attract Golf R, WRX STI, Focus RS, and Civic Type R buyers to the lineup. The Camaro is a little short on horsepower but has a lower starting price than the above four-doors. If it had competed in our !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , the claimed 0-60 time would have fallen midpack. Furthermore, some potential hot-hatch buyers might appreciate the Turbo 1LE’s non-boy-racer look. Chevy could be onto something.”

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bob and john > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 12:46

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are...are they serious?   

functionoverfashion > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 12:52

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... the Turbo 1LE’s non-boy-racer look.

... wants to attract Golf R, WRX STI, Focus RS, and Civic Type R buyers...

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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 12:52

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i mean id rather have a Mustang Ecoboost with the performance pack over any hot hatch so they are’nt  far off

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 12:59

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MotorTrend: Arbitrary ideas to write articles that make no sense, since 1952.

Deal Killer - Powered by Focus > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 12:59

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As far as performance and price goes, yes, the Camaro is very competitive with the VW, Honda, Subaru and Ford ST/RS. But, the one thing those cars have over the Camaro, is I can use a “Hot Hatch” as a family car, with only minor compromises as far as utility. I’m not cramming my two kids in a Camaro’s back seat in anything like comfort, let alone for a three hour drive to my in-laws.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 13:08

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The Camaro is the least practical of the muscle cars . It has a useless rear seat (for humans, anyway) and couldn’t hope to  compete with the 5-doors.

Textured Soy Protein > functionoverfashion 08/30/2018 at 13:09

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The other cars in that list aren’t exactly renowned for their subtlety.

Gerry197 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 13:10

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My first new car was an Acura Integra GS-R, I cross-shopped it with the Camaro Z28, Firebird Formula and Mustang GT & GTS of the time, right around 1994.

I think if I was looking at this price point, I too would cross shop this Camaro with those hot hatches.   

Ash78, voting early and often > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 13:11

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If I can’t fold the rear seats down and put a mid-size armchair in the back, then close the hatch, it cannot be a hot hatch.

/personal rule since 1995

For Sweden > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 13:13

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Pony cars are better than hot hatches #hottake

bob and john > Gerry197 08/30/2018 at 13:15

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you were shopping a 2 door fun car with other 2 door fun cars.

not a 2 door fun car with 5 door roided family cars 

Jack Does Cars > functionoverfashion 08/30/2018 at 13:18

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I mean all black would look rather good

nerd_racing > For Sweden 08/30/2018 at 13:20

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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > bob and john 08/30/2018 at 13:24

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Controversy creates clicks and it seems to be working

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 13:29

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The 2018 Camero is a solid 20 inches longer than the GTI and doesn’t have the utility of a hatch. Good luck, bud.

QCGoose > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 13:32

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Sweet mercy, that new fascia is fucking atrocious.

Gerry197 > bob and john 08/30/2018 at 13:36

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Absolutely, but if there were 4/5 door family cars that were fun at the time, I probably would have looked at them the same.

I was in the $18,000 (negotiated OTD price) range , which today would be about $30,000 today based on inflation. These cars mentioned would have been up my alley.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > QCGoose 08/30/2018 at 13:37

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If you think that’s bad might I introduce you to the SS version?

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > For Sweden 08/30/2018 at 13:38

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UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > functionoverfashion 08/30/2018 at 13:44

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This is exactly my thought. In what world is that less boy racer than the R? Additionally, I’d say short of the wing and a bright blue, the RS isn’t much different in boy racer ness levels.

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > Deal Killer - Powered by Focus 08/30/2018 at 13:45

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This is why I got a FoST, and why I will probably proceed in getting a GTI/R in 2020 when the new generation comes.

gettingoldercarguy > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 08/30/2018 at 13:59

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Camissa’s exit stage left a year or so ago was brilliant. He saw the writing on the wall but I miss him in his videos with Lieberman. They had good chemistry and Randy Po bst is the stig the  world needs.

CobraJoe > For Sweden 08/30/2018 at 14:02

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Agreed.

Only thing better would be a hatchback pony car.  I want a modern Foxbody. 

functionoverfashion > Jack Does Cars 08/30/2018 at 14:05

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I agree, it just still looks like a Camaro, which does not scream “responsible adult” if you’re trying to say the other cars are too boy-racer-ish.

I think it looks good and I’m sure it’s a blast to drive. It’s just... it looks like a giant toy race car.

functionoverfashion > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 08/30/2018 at 14:09

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I don’t dislike it. But it still looks like a giant Hot Wheels come to life.

Put it this way: I could never take myself seriously dropping my kids off at preschool in a Camaro (also no back doors, duh) . But a blue Golf? Or even a gray or black Focus RS? Okay, I couldn’t handle the TypeR either. But come on.

functionoverfashion > Textured Soy Protein 08/30/2018 at 14:13

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I don’t know if kinja ate my reply, but anyway. I don’t disagree, but they can’t say “if you don’t like the boy-racer looks of the hot-hatch segment, come over to Camaro and try the ‘enlarged-hot-wheels-toy-racer-look’ instead!” It looks like a fast car, no way around it. I don’t dislike it! It’s just... if you want a fast car that doesn’t scream boy racer, Golf R > Camaro.

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > functionoverfashion 08/30/2018 at 14:21

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So the 18 golf r is even more understated imo, in your lead picture it’s hard to tell it’s not a gti. Especially in black. I also wouldn’t have kids so I guess I couldn’t understand that part.

Spanfeller is a twat > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 14:26

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Maybe its the writters fault

What Top Gear Mag does really well is that the writters have children and dogs, and other adult things, so a writter in Top Gear knows that Golf “ eR” is much more practical than a “ Camaroo”

Spanfeller is a twat > For Sweden 08/30/2018 at 14:30

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But what about a hot pony? 

functionoverfashion > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 08/30/2018 at 14:49

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I agree, most people wouldn’t know an R from a GTI from a base Golf, for that matter.

Camaros may suffer from the same problem of differentiating the variants, but they’re all muscle cars to most people.

This is what I feel like is the default image of a golf:

VS the default image of a Camaro:

QCGoose > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 15:17

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What the... * starts dry-heaving* THAT is horrid.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 08/30/2018 at 15:59

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A GTI or a GTR? =)

My bird IS the word > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 15:59

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I just realized that it looks like gm is copying the mustangs styling. Or is that just me? Then again, ford copies aston all the time.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 16:11

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The new Camaro is here... for your soul.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 16:15

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Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 16:22

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Worst. Version. of that Song. Ever.

Chariotoflove > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 16:26

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Chariotoflove 08/30/2018 at 16:32

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...what I wouldn’t give for a holocaust cloak.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) 08/30/2018 at 16:49

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So, appropriate?

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 17:04

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I suppose, in a way, yes.

CobraJoe > bob and john 08/30/2018 at 17:07

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I’m not quite sure I’d call a FoST or a Civic Type R or an RS or an STI a “family car”. Capable of carrying a family of 4, yes, but far from the first choice for the person who primarily drives the kids around. There are plenty of other choices for funish but more family friendly 4 door cars, especially on the used market. 

But if you’re shopping for the 2nd car for a family of 4, a vehicle that might on rare occasions need to carry a kid in the back seat, a Camaro is a valid option. Just not as useful as a hatchback.

bob and john > CobraJoe 08/30/2018 at 17:08

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“roided family car’

you are telling me a civic or a golf is NOT a family car? 

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 17:17

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UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > functionoverfashion 08/30/2018 at 17:23

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For as much as I know about too many cars, I’ve veen mistaken that a base from the rear with the black valence was a gti more than once 

user314 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/30/2018 at 17:27

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SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 18:23

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I’d have a green one and call it Marvin...

CobraJoe > bob and john 08/30/2018 at 19:51

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Yeah, that’s pretty much what I’m saying. Its possible to use them as family cars, they have the right number of doors and seats, but the back seat space is very cramped for a rear facing car seat, and very cramped for getting a kid in and out of a rear facing car seat.

We gave up on using a Volvo V50 as a family car when our second kid was on the way.

50ford500 > Deal Killer - Powered by Focus 08/30/2018 at 21:39

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Not to mention many of those cars you can actually see out of the sides reliably. 

Doctor of internal combustion > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/31/2018 at 16:51

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does it come with a vape in the glove box? if not, they are missing their target demographic

Doctor of internal combustion > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 08/31/2018 at 16:52

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so glad I bought a 17